The Discipline of the Lord (Audio)

Audio of “The Discipline of the Lord” (8 min)

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0:01So First thing I look at is hebrews chapter 12 when we’re talking about the discipline of the Lord And it starts and it says look at those around you in the cloud of witnesses.

0:13And that was in hebrews 11.

0:15You got the faith.

0:15Chapter people talk about and all those and a lot of them were learning and they were learning through suffering.

0:19So those around you.

0:21Then look at Jesus Verse two, looking to Jesus, the founder of perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before him, endured the cross, despising the shame.

0:28So Jesus also went through suffering.

0:31Of course his was atoned for our sins.

0:35But there is an aspect of jesus suffering that also trained him because if I’m gonna cross references and Hebrews chapter five, it says verse seven in the days of his flesh, jesus offered up prayers and supplications with loud cries and tears to him.

0:52It was able to save him from death and he was hurt because of his reverence, although he was the son, he learned obedience through what he suffered to catch up there.

1:00So the Cross has many dimensions.

1:03This is what I’ve said all the time.

1:04Like all the different sacrifices in the bible, all point to the one sacrifice of jesus.

1:07So there’s all these different dimensions of the Lord’s sacrifice in one dimension is he was trained in obedience through what he suffered.

1:16Now take that I mean, that’s a tough maybe theological thing to consider jesus is fully God, yet had to be trained as a man, including trained by his suffering, including even the Cross itself.

1:25So that in Hebrews 12 it comes and it actually says, it uses the language of the Cross.

1:29If you look, if you skip down in Hebrews 12 3, consider him Jesus who endured from sinners, such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary and faint hearted and your struggle against sin.

1:40You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.

1:43And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?

1:47And this is my son.

1:47Do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord nor be weary when reproved by him.

1:52For the Lord disciplines the one he loves and he chastises every son whom he receives, so chassis or scourges the sons he receives.

2:00, that’s the word that is used.

2:03The only other time in the entire new testament, that word is used.

2:06The greek word is the word scourge in some translations and that’s what’s used for jesus on the cross.

2:11So it’s a very, even the word is a very direct connection to jesus on the cross.

2:15But it already said it earlier is talking about his suffering on the cross.

2:18But then he now applies it to what you go through as sons.

2:21Now, he says, you should be actually much more scared if you don’t go through that kind of suffering because then you’re not your bastard son is what the king James version says, you’re an illegitimate son, you’re not a true son of God, but if you are, you’ll go through that and there were route were disciplined.

2:37The root word of disciple matches discipline.

2:41It’s, it’s maybe the closest word you can think of.

2:43Even in the english, you can hear how they sound so similar, it’s closely connected, so it’s discipline in the sense of we think of discipline as you’ve done something wrong, that is part of it, You’ve done something wrong and your discipline now for what you’ve done, reactive, but there’s also proactive discipline.

3:00I want discipline you here, so you don’t do that, jesus did nothing wrong yet.

3:05It says he learned through his suffering obedience, So that’s a discipline on proactive kind of disciplines that we can also have.

3:12And then the rest of hebrews 12 goes on, and it talks about that very thing.

3:16It says, if he loves you, you’re gonna be under discipline.

3:20an example that I told you earlier, but I could say it was that, that Shane, I don’t know if you heard this example, but it was someone was talking about chickens being transported out of everything on a truck and they’re in these cages and he said, I saw them and I’m just thinking, man, these chickens probably thinking if only we could rip the cage free Frida, we could be free, we can be free and they’re being caged, but it was to transport them, where there’s gonna be true freedom later, you know?

3:47And so that’s like this life he used as an illustration of jesus with Peter, where Peter, jesus said, satan asked that he could sift you like wheat and I’m gonna allow it for a little bit that you’re gonna be refined through this, you’re gonna be made better through this, you’re gonna help your brethren through this time of sifting like wheat.

4:02And again, that’s not fun.

4:04but you go through that and it’s we think life would be so much better.

4:08We can serve the Lord in so many other ways if we weren’t confined by by discipline of the Lord.

4:12But he says, no, that’s not the way.

4:14So then the question is, what kind of discipline is he using?

4:16Well, hebrews 12.

4:17The immediate context is persecution.

4:21That’s part of the discipline uses.

4:23But then you go to you have we don’t need to go there.

4:26But in first Corinthians 11, it talks about communion and that was where they were getting sick and some were dying.

4:33And that was called discipline of the Lord.

4:35And he says, this is a good thing because it’s saving you from the ultimate judgment to come.

4:40Even sickness and death among you is considered a good spanking compared to dealing with God face to face for eternal judgment.

4:49So you have sickness, you have death, this is all training you in the ways of the Lord and another one, I’ll just references I think it’s Job 31 or 32 where it talks about L.



5:02So it’s after all the friends and job we’re talking and discussing and you know trying to figure out and they all every one of them is rebuked in the end job and the three friends.

5:12But then there is 1/4 L.


5:15Who who comes along and he speaks and he’s never rebuked.

5:19In fact you see what the words he says.

5:21He speaks things in such a way that it goes it has this like crescendo of from L.


5:27Who is speaking all these things.

5:27And then God starts speaking in a booming voice and comes in a worldwide and says the exact same thing in a different way.

5:32So some have even thought is God speaking right through L.


5:35Who that someone of the influence I get.

5:37Or at least Ella who is speaking in a way that’s representing accurately got what God is saying.

5:42So all that prep is to say.

5:44You can read now Ella who with fresh eyes and you read Job 31 32 or 32.

5:48And and he talks about well okay real quick I just want to reference it.

5:53If we go to job 32 Ready for Job speaks his final appeal okay Job 32 L.


6:06Who he rebukes the jobs three friends.

6:08He talks about all these things and he says oh it’s okay.

6:10So 14 for God speaks in one way and David in a dream and a vision of the night when deep sleep falls at man.

6:21So that’s part of how God speaks.

6:23But then look at verse 19.

6:24Man is also rebuked with pain on his bed with continual strife in his bones.

6:28So that his life loathes bread and his appetite, the choices food been there, right, you don’t want to eat anything, you’re just sick.

6:36His flesh is so wasted away.

6:37That cannot be seen in his bones that were not seen.

6:39Stick out.

6:40His soul draws near to the pit and his life to those who bring death.

6:44then it talks about an angel, there’ll be for him, an angel, a mediator.

6:47And it goes on and says, why are these things happening?

6:50Look at verse 29 behold God does all these things twice three times with a man to bring back his soul from the pit that he may be lighted with the light of life.

6:58So those were again more that sickness directly mentioned and its preparatory that you wouldn’t go to the pit.

7:06What’s better getting sick and this imagine your whole life being sick, but your soul being saved or your whole life being healthy and your soul being an eternal damnation.

7:15So he’s saying this is a much better way to be and job himself was an example of that.

7:19He was sick.

7:20He got sickness and suffering and not because he had done something wrong again.

7:24Sometimes it is because you did something wrong.

7:26I think we should take note of that.

7:27There are times like there is discipline of the Lord that comes directly reaction to what you’ve done.

7:32But sometimes it is, in preparation is sometimes training you, it’s all training you, let’s put it that way, whether you did or you didn’t, as in job as in jesus, it’s training you for better or for more obedience for more, of his ways, if that makes sense.

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